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Thursday, February 8, 2018 04:55 AM Write a comment

Out of curiosity, were there ever any draftees in ADM? Could draftees be 12E? Or could they be assigned to an ADM platoon as 12B with the idea of going TDY to someplace like Oberammergau for 12E? Were the requirements for ADM training any different overseas than for Ft. Belvoir? Any guess how soon The Donald will bring back the draft? Couple of things to think about.

Larry Fukalek Thursday, February 8, 2018 03:55 PM
When I enlisted in 1962 there was not a 12E listing available. I enlisted as a 12E, wene assigned to my 1st Unit, 12th Engr Bn, Dexheim, Germany I was asked if I wanted to be a 12B. It sounded better than spending all the field time as a 12E so I accepted it. I warked as a 12B2n until a school slot was open, then went to Oberammergau for school. As I remember it, the schooling was the same basically.

Curt Thursday, February 8, 2018 07:53 PM
Lots of things were shutting down when I was in Mainz and Dexheim. I was in 1st Brigade when the '73 OPEC hit and the 509th was sent to Italy. I wasn't airborne and would've had to go to jump school there, but that got closed down. I got put back into my MOS when the airborne left and got to Dexheim not long before everyone got transferred to Hanau.

That was right around the time that all the draftees were given early outs, too, as I remember it. Right around the same time as Watergate ended and President Nixon resigned. I knew a couple of draftees, but didn't really notice anyone being gone until another person mentioned it to me. I mean, I knew ADM left and I didn't as I hadn't been to Oberammergau yet, I was still 12B and stayed in Dexheim. But I didn't realize the draftees were gone, too, until someone told me about it.

But if President Trump or any president after him brings back the draft, letting draftees into sensitive positions is controversial, isn't it? Did they do that back then, or wait until the draftee enlisted after his conscription was over? Do you remember if there were any draftees in the 12th Engineer's ADM platoon back then?

Wherever President Trump takes the country in the next couple of years, there's a couple of spots that bear some introspection about what the nation's military used to be.

"America First." That was Lindbergh's organization 'way long time ago. Most of this has been done before.

Dan Dawson Friday, February 9, 2018 05:41 PM
Yes draftees were in ADM units. We had at least one in our unit in the early 60s. I was in the ADM Platoon, 78th Combat Engineers. I was given a 125.10 MOS when I completed the Oberammergau school.

Curt Sunday, February 11, 2018 03:19 PM
Thank for responding, Dan, that was kind of you. Reason for my question is that the nation's military is quite high-tech now, it's not the steel pot and M-14 days of bygone years. The media's full of stories about how this technology can and is misused at times, and this is all with with what VOLAR has evolved into. If conscription ever returns there's a couple different ways of looking at what could happen afterwards.

Dan Dawson Monday, February 12, 2018 02:40 PM
Curt, Just my 2 cents but I can't see the kind of military build-up they are calling for without a draft, and I can't see how they will ever get that done in the present political environment. Also, a new draft system will not be like the old one, This time there will be few exemptions (as it should be). With that said, a fair draft system will also bring a lot of people that would not otherwise serve and many very qualified and well educated, etc.

Larry Fukalek Monday, February 12, 2018 10:40 PM
My first ADM Unit was Apr 1963, but did not attend ADM School at Oberammergau until Aug 1964, MOS related to 125. In 1967 & 1968 the ADM MOS was 12B2N & in 1969 it became 12E.

Curt Tuesday, February 13, 2018 03:56 PM
Thanks, Dan and Larry. When people ask some of the older veterans for their memories, maybe sometimes some things get overlooked as trivial. They're not, memories like yours are very relevant to what we're experiencing now in the nation. But that may just be my opinion as I'm apparently an older veteran now, too.
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