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1513) Curt 
West Coast
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Friday, April 22, 2016 04:50 AM Write a comment

(1513) Hard to remember at times that there's more here than just the ocean.
1512) Richard DeBuhr 
Harrisonburg, VA
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Thursday, April 21, 2016 05:48 PM Write a comment

SFC Schellert was my PSG before I was assigned to the Brigade Inspection Team to work with SFC Pervis. Schellert took over the platoon when "Big P" took over the Brigade Inspection Team. Don Reed was correct. Scehllert's wife said her husband came home sat down in a chair, asked for a drink and died of a heart attack.
1511) Curt 
West Coast
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Thursday, April 21, 2016 04:19 PM Write a comment

(1511) Here's another reason to live on the West Coast. I found the most breathtaking views where I am; not many people here even know about this vantage point. There's a couple caves in this bluff, and there's restaurants above it. One has a staircase leading down into one of the caves, but rarely is there anyone on the promontory where I took this.

Anyway, good lead in. Since the collective ADM minds are so sharp and inquisitive, I have a question: We've all read about the entanglement discoveries; Quantum Entanglement and Quantum physics. It's all over the Web, easy to find. But, if the properties of a particle were transferred and a new, identical particle was created, does any contamination on the particle follow it to the new? As I understand it, the original particle is destroyed in the process, there is no duality once the procedure is finished so there's no redundancy in time.

What if the particle is irradiated? Is the radiation an integral part of the particle, the mass? If not, the radiation wouldn't follow it to the new, it'd be destroyed when the original particle is. It would cease to exist.

The advantage of that is obvious. If this process could be utilized to move large masses, then atomic waste would be obsolete, it'd be a relic like a Model T. Nuclear energy would be the clean, efficient power source that it's supposed to be.

They taught you all of this in ADM school, didn't they? I'm not being farcical here, I'm not cracking jokes. Could this be utilized in the American military machine somehow?

Why, they could bring back the draft and everything now! What a stroke of brilliance. Unless I'm wrong, of course, but it wouldn't matter as conscription would be used again and nothing much matters anywhere then. That's wonderful.
1510) Norm Andersson 
Colorado Springs
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Wednesday, April 6, 2016 06:50 PM Write a comment

To Chris Hocking, et al regarding SFC Schellert.

I believe Don Reed is correct, that Schellert died of a heart attack after that evening run....was working hard to get more physically fit.
He had been my platoon sergeant - very good NCO - before I was transferred to Darmstadt.
1509) Larry Fukalek 
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Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:20 AM Write a comment

Have you tried E-Bay. I saw a bunch of different Military Manuals there a few years back.
1508) Charlie Bell, MSG, Ret 
Lancaster NH
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Wednesday, March 16, 2016 09:05 PM Write a comment

Does anyone have a copy of FM 5-26 Employment of ADM's or know of a place to get one.??
1507) Charlie Bell, MSG, Ret 
Lancaster NH
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Tuesday, March 15, 2016 08:11 PM Write a comment

Important:: Looking for a 55G who has worked on interiors of the SADM. One of the guys is battling VA. He was working around wr SADMs. 1 or 2 had split open at the seam and a powder fell out. He was instructed to sweep it up without respirator or protective gear. He now has cancer. Question is :: What was he exposed to????

Email me at

Or go to facebook page: 275th Engineer Company::

Look for Pete Hall post March 14th.

1506) Paul Crowley 
Live in mass. Working in t
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Wednesday, March 9, 2016 01:51 AM Write a comment

I was in the 567th late 82 to 84
Wondering if anyone on here was
1505) Chris Hocking 
St. Louis
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Friday, February 19, 2016 03:00 PM Write a comment

(1505) Anyone still around from this era? If so can you provide any more information on this individual and what they did?

Peter, Webmaster Friday, February 19, 2016 03:05 PM
I remember Schellert. I was gone before august in 78, tho.

Don Reed Friday, February 19, 2016 04:29 PM
If I remember correctly, he died of a heart attack after finishing a evening run.
Went on a run got home got a soda sat down in the chair and died.
If that is the guy, that is the story I heard.
but you can rely on Rumor control.

Jim Cauthron Saturday, February 20, 2016 07:28 PM
Schellert and I were on the same team 65-67. He was a Spec5. Curry was the team chief. He married a German girl and rotated to the states. He was a good man, easy going but nobody to mess with.

Bob Marshall Thursday, March 10, 2016 04:52 PM
Schellert ran the in-company ADM school. We had to re-train the new guys coming in from AIT. I painted his name on the door of the school naming it Schellart Hall.
1504) Rick Murray 
Williamstown, KY
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Saturday, February 13, 2016 10:31 AM Write a comment

The best times of my military career was when I was a 12E at the 567th Engr. Co. ADM 7th Platoon in Hanau, Fran├žois Kaserne ('80-'82) and 66th Engr. Co. ADM at Ft. Hood ('82-'84). The guys I remember the most was when I was in the "Schulteiss Gang" Oliver's Pizza. "Hey Franco, eine mal bitte" was the favorite drunken request for another Schulteis Beer. The 4th Golden Summertime Fest in Darmstadt in '81 with Bates, Zweibel, and Bothwell just to name a few, was the best concert I had ever attended. Since we couldn't bring in bottles and cans, we filled our bloata bags with Jack Daniels and good German Speitlasse Wine. We were ADM'ers, we always figured a way to bring and consume mass quantities of alchol. That weekend was and still is a blur, but I do remember Bothwell passed out with the concert flyers covering his body and face. Floating down the creek on our blowup mattresses at the campsite and grabbing ahold of the electric fence that was crossing the creek was surely a buzz killer and so funny, especially when we pulled the fence down close to the water and it grabbed ahold of Bates when his drunken wet ass tried to pass underneath of it. It was hysterical and you had to be there to appreciate it. I actually have a picture of me passing a bottle of Jack to Donnie Van Zantz (?) and him holding it up during a song at the concert. We had a toast and shared a drink. That's how close I got to the stage! I'll never forget it. God Bless all of the ADM'ers and their families. Write to my email or leave a message here if you can remember all this. You may also reach me on Facebook. Just type in Rick Murray on the search bar and click on invite.

Don Reed Wednesday, February 17, 2016 10:16 PM
Good times, I was one of the founding members of the "
Schultheiss Gang.
Still remember the minutes of the meeting that use to show up in the inboxes of the different Platoons.
The most memorable thing I remember was the tear gas incident in Wildflecken.
Man we had some good times
Fred still frequents this site
1503) Ronald L. Hildebrant 
South Branch, Mi
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Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:10 PM Write a comment

I came across this site by accident and am glag I did. I have been trying for a long while to find former comrads in arms. I am on facebook and welcome visits. I shall return

Bob Marshall Thursday, March 10, 2016 04:53 PM
Hey Ron. Good to see you're still alive.
1502) Peter, Webmaster 
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Thursday, December 31, 2015 10:35 PM Write a comment

(1502) The text is hard to read, but this is a transcription:
1. It gives me great pleasure to extend my congratulations to you for being designated as an Honor Graduate of Class 10, FY 76, Atomic Demolitions Munitions Enlisted Course.

2. I am personally aware of the time and effort expended for such an outstanding accomplishment. your initiative and dedications which this achievement indicates are noteworthy and commendable. These are characteristics which strengthen the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers and the United States Army.

3. I wish you continuing success and a fulling military Career.

peter Thursday, December 31, 2015 10:42 PM
And special thanks to Jake Moore and Charlie Bell for being my instructors for this. I couldn't have done it if you weren't such good teachers.

Charlie Bell MSG (Ret) Tuesday, March 15, 2016 03:50 PM
Thanks Peter. It was our pleasure. Loved that assignment. Went from there to Italy 62nd Engr Co ADM at Vicenza. Another great duty station.
1501) Peter, Webmaster 
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Thursday, December 31, 2015 10:25 PM Write a comment

(1501) I found some old stuff. Thought I would post it here.
1500) Daniel Grogan 
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Monday, December 28, 2015 10:57 AM Write a comment

(1500) Wow this is truly awesome!! A lot of people don't understand just how our mos worked !! Im still kickin but have pancreatitis kinda sucks I wonder If it was from rads! ? Anyone have any Idea?

Jay Fogle Saturday, January 2, 2016 08:19 AM
Hey Dan! Good to see you on here! I live in Oxford, MD. I still keep in touch with Paul Chapin and visit him occasionally in TN.

Curt Friday, January 8, 2016 11:05 PM
The problem as I've been able to figure out is any off these symptoms could be from active duty but duty in non-combat situations. Not getting hazard duty pay, it's like you just stubbed your toe or something. And, if you never went to sick call for anything that you now want to bring to the VA in your elder years, if there's documentation of your complaint while you were on active duty, you're going to have a problem getting any doctor there to back you up.

You can get second opinions from any private doctor you might find, but those cost money and for some specialists it can get really expensive. Depends on what kind of medical insurance you have, I guess.

But obviously it's your good health that's important, not just griping about the past like you'll be accused of. It's whatever works for you to get the ear of a VA doctor, be that second opinions from outside sources or some other kind of creditable input.

But none of it's Purple Heart, and you'll hear that from the American Legion and, should you make the mistake of going into a MOPH office, it could become humiliating. You'll have to argue this on your own, perhaps, and to have to do this knowing that other veterans have the unquestioning solid support of veteran groups make it that much more painful. And that's the key phrase: pain. How much physical pain are you in, and how much mental anguish to you think you can endure from those VA employees?

Listen, I know what ADM was and who you were, but you're rare now and it just doesn't seem that anyone wants to see or hear you now. When ADM moved to Hanau is when the European nations really began protesting American nuclear presence there, and when the left-leaning protesters back in The World reunited with The Establishment after Vietnam to protest the nation's nuclear power plants. Your MOS is really one of the more visible ones to these people, if they should ever get a glimpse of who you were. They really weren't that nice, and your pain may not get much sympathy from them. And, we were supposed to be allies with the Germans when we were there, we weren't supposed to get hurt. If someone did get hurt there it might not be seen as politically correct.

It's always your choice now, you're the one in pain and it's a decision you have to make yourself. Many of the veterans in the VA now are from a different era than you, and you may encounter obstacles you weren't expecting. And, if you did have the 12E MOS, you have to be mature enough to consider whatever consequences your disclosures might bring.

But like I say, I saw who and what you were. Maybe an outsider might think they were looking for John Wayne or Rambo, but that's where they missed you. ADM was a collection of intelligent combat engineers. I know, no one would believe that.

Rick Baker Monday, January 25, 2016 06:38 PM
What's up Grogan? Get in touch with me man! Lost track of you a while back. I'm still in touch with Donald Runyon.

Charlie Bell MSG (Ret) Tuesday, March 15, 2016 03:59 PM
Rick Baker. Glad to here you're still around.
find me on 62nd's or 567th Facebook or get my Email from Peter. Hope to hear from you.

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1499) dw 
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Saturday, December 26, 2015 07:26 AM Write a comment

We moved to Pennsylvania. Celebrating Xmas here.
Deer are everywhere! Passed many dead deer moving.
We bought an old house and we're fixing it up.
We're all getting older and health problems are happening. The VA does take good care of us. If you need help go there.
Merry Xmas and everybody have a better New Year.
1498) PeteS 
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Thursday, December 10, 2015 01:51 AM Write a comment

Happy Holidays to all, I worked 12E in the early 80's in Germany. Now I have Leukemia,
Anyone heard about anyone else that may have gotten Cancer after having a few lunches sitting on Warheads in the bunkers like me? Thanks much..

Curt Friday, December 11, 2015 12:13 AM
Personally, I'm very sorry to read about your medical problems. That has to be not only devastating for you, but to your family also. One can only hope you're not in too much pain.

I have a skin rash but I was never around radiation. The couple times I rode around with the platoon I was in the jeep, anyway, where I wouldn't get in the way because I was a new guy. I had to get different doctors because the VA always says there's nothing wrong with me anyway. I hope you have second opinions.

Have you ever thought about that? The only reason Agent Orange patients have gotten the attention they have is because America was forced to admit they used a terrible chemical in the war; that admission has obviously turned into a real boon for the Vietnamese. Percentage-wise, how many Vietnam veterans have suffered physical deterioration from that defoliant? Would their exposure ever have come to light if it hadn't been turned into such an advantage for the Vietnam government?

Notice how good I write? I've taken lots of writing courses over the years, I write much better than I talk. I can take a story and make Saving Private Ryan look like pulp fiction. Not talking like I was career-oriented, but I do remember ADM. I spin a mean tale now.

Chuck Saturday, December 12, 2015 09:03 AM
Often wondered about that very thing. Good luck getting the Gov't to admit anything!!
1497) Curt 
West Coast
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Tuesday, December 8, 2015 10:57 PM Write a comment

(1497) And here's what a February day looks like out here. Compare this with the Ft. Leonard Wood photos; I'm glad other people save these kinds of photos besides me.

I'm in there, I have red hair again. For some reason my hair shows as red in these Army photos. I guess the Army turned me into a red-headed step child for three years. Yes, that's me right there.

OK, here's a story I get to share: I drove a taxi for a time about 15 years ago and I was taking a fellow and his wife to the airport who'd been here for a convention. Turns out he'd been here for an Army combat engineer reunion or convention of some type, and he'd been a retired NCO of 30 years or so. So, naturally I started talking about 12 Bravo things and Germany, and of course that led to 12 Echo talk. And, incredibly, this ex-command sergeant major had never heard of 12 Echo or ADM at all! When I began mentioning 12E and Germany, I looked in my rear-view mirror and saw that he had a totally blank look on his face and was staring straight ahead out the windshield; his wife was staring intently at the back of my head. Then he said "Tell me of this ADM." I was honestly taken aback for moment for here was a career NCO in the combat engineer MOS specialty field (whatever the MOS designation is for upper-ranking NCOs) who had retired who knows how many years prior to our meeting in 2000 or 2001, whenever it was, who had never heard of 12E or what they did.

I gave him a vague description of what ADM stood for and then we were at the airport and that was the end of that. But I've been thinking about that ever since, how this person could have served for so many decades without ever even hearing about ADM is near impossible to imagine. Has 12E been gone for that long not only in reality, but in legacy also? No one talks about it any more? To be honest with you I never even told my parents about what I did in 12th Engineers' Headquarters Company (or the ADM part, anyway) but I did find out that the FBI had been to our neighbors when they were investigating me for my security clearance. I doubt that they ever told my parents anything as I suppose they lied to the FBI about the Kennedy years anyway (and that's a whole 'nother story), and the only reason I'm posting here is someone else brought it up first. I never would have posted any of this on my own, but I guess Glasnost has made us all free. Right?

But here we had an ex-command sergeant major who honestly drew a total blank on the subject. Are 12 Echoes really a forgotten breed? That is, in all honesty, truly tragic as now America is denied the truly inspirational legacy of a group of soldiers, an elite group of Americans that apparently the nation will never have again. Is that right?

Curt Wednesday, December 9, 2015 04:45 PM
Left a part out: That's Drill Sergeant Creekmore who was and still is the most terrifying person I've ever met. According to the computer his combat patch was Marine: a 2nd Bat, 1st Marine patch having a vertical numeral "1" with Guadalcanal written in it. I remember that as I've never seen it anywhere else and it stuck in my mind as he was literally terrifying his entire platoon. No joke; see his bull neck. It's wider than his head.
1496) Curt 
West Coast
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(1496) What a December sunset looks like where I live. At least off my porch, anyway. Not too bad, but it looks a lot better on the beach.
1495) Bob P 
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Thursday, December 3, 2015 02:29 PM Write a comment

Anyone remember the guys who transferred from the 509th in Eschborn to the 567th in Hanau. I seem to be unable to locate them.
1494) Larry Fukalek 
Clovis, Ca
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Wednesday, December 2, 2015 07:09 PM Write a comment

(1494) Basic Training, Ft. Knox, Kentucky ~ 24 Nov 1962 to 9 Feb 1963
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