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1502) Peter, Webmaster 
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Thursday, December 31, 2015 10:35 PM Write a comment

(1502) The text is hard to read, but this is a transcription:
1. It gives me great pleasure to extend my congratulations to you for being designated as an Honor Graduate of Class 10, FY 76, Atomic Demolitions Munitions Enlisted Course.

2. I am personally aware of the time and effort expended for such an outstanding accomplishment. your initiative and dedications which this achievement indicates are noteworthy and commendable. These are characteristics which strengthen the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers and the United States Army.

3. I wish you continuing success and a fulling military Career.

peter Thursday, December 31, 2015 10:42 PM
And special thanks to Jake Moore and Charlie Bell for being my instructors for this. I couldn't have done it if you weren't such good teachers.

Charlie Bell MSG (Ret) Tuesday, March 15, 2016 03:50 PM
Thanks Peter. It was our pleasure. Loved that assignment. Went from there to Italy 62nd Engr Co ADM at Vicenza. Another great duty station.
1501) Peter, Webmaster 
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Thursday, December 31, 2015 10:25 PM Write a comment

(1501) I found some old stuff. Thought I would post it here.
1500) Daniel Grogan 
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Monday, December 28, 2015 10:57 AM Write a comment

(1500) Wow this is truly awesome!! A lot of people don't understand just how our mos worked !! Im still kickin but have pancreatitis kinda sucks I wonder If it was from rads! ? Anyone have any Idea?

Jay Fogle Saturday, January 2, 2016 08:19 AM
Hey Dan! Good to see you on here! I live in Oxford, MD. I still keep in touch with Paul Chapin and visit him occasionally in TN.

Curt Friday, January 8, 2016 11:05 PM
The problem as I've been able to figure out is any off these symptoms could be from active duty but duty in non-combat situations. Not getting hazard duty pay, it's like you just stubbed your toe or something. And, if you never went to sick call for anything that you now want to bring to the VA in your elder years, if there's documentation of your complaint while you were on active duty, you're going to have a problem getting any doctor there to back you up.

You can get second opinions from any private doctor you might find, but those cost money and for some specialists it can get really expensive. Depends on what kind of medical insurance you have, I guess.

But obviously it's your good health that's important, not just griping about the past like you'll be accused of. It's whatever works for you to get the ear of a VA doctor, be that second opinions from outside sources or some other kind of creditable input.

But none of it's Purple Heart, and you'll hear that from the American Legion and, should you make the mistake of going into a MOPH office, it could become humiliating. You'll have to argue this on your own, perhaps, and to have to do this knowing that other veterans have the unquestioning solid support of veteran groups make it that much more painful. And that's the key phrase: pain. How much physical pain are you in, and how much mental anguish to you think you can endure from those VA employees?

Listen, I know what ADM was and who you were, but you're rare now and it just doesn't seem that anyone wants to see or hear you now. When ADM moved to Hanau is when the European nations really began protesting American nuclear presence there, and when the left-leaning protesters back in The World reunited with The Establishment after Vietnam to protest the nation's nuclear power plants. Your MOS is really one of the more visible ones to these people, if they should ever get a glimpse of who you were. They really weren't that nice, and your pain may not get much sympathy from them. And, we were supposed to be allies with the Germans when we were there, we weren't supposed to get hurt. If someone did get hurt there it might not be seen as politically correct.

It's always your choice now, you're the one in pain and it's a decision you have to make yourself. Many of the veterans in the VA now are from a different era than you, and you may encounter obstacles you weren't expecting. And, if you did have the 12E MOS, you have to be mature enough to consider whatever consequences your disclosures might bring.

But like I say, I saw who and what you were. Maybe an outsider might think they were looking for John Wayne or Rambo, but that's where they missed you. ADM was a collection of intelligent combat engineers. I know, no one would believe that.

Rick Baker Monday, January 25, 2016 06:38 PM
What's up Grogan? Get in touch with me man! Lost track of you a while back. I'm still in touch with Donald Runyon.

Charlie Bell MSG (Ret) Tuesday, March 15, 2016 03:59 PM
Rick Baker. Glad to here you're still around.
find me on 62nd's or 567th Facebook or get my Email from Peter. Hope to hear from you.

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1499) dw 
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Saturday, December 26, 2015 07:26 AM Write a comment

We moved to Pennsylvania. Celebrating Xmas here.
Deer are everywhere! Passed many dead deer moving.
We bought an old house and we're fixing it up.
We're all getting older and health problems are happening. The VA does take good care of us. If you need help go there.
Merry Xmas and everybody have a better New Year.
1498) PeteS 
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Thursday, December 10, 2015 01:51 AM Write a comment

Happy Holidays to all, I worked 12E in the early 80's in Germany. Now I have Leukemia,
Anyone heard about anyone else that may have gotten Cancer after having a few lunches sitting on Warheads in the bunkers like me? Thanks much..

Curt Friday, December 11, 2015 12:13 AM
Personally, I'm very sorry to read about your medical problems. That has to be not only devastating for you, but to your family also. One can only hope you're not in too much pain.

I have a skin rash but I was never around radiation. The couple times I rode around with the platoon I was in the jeep, anyway, where I wouldn't get in the way because I was a new guy. I had to get different doctors because the VA always says there's nothing wrong with me anyway. I hope you have second opinions.

Have you ever thought about that? The only reason Agent Orange patients have gotten the attention they have is because America was forced to admit they used a terrible chemical in the war; that admission has obviously turned into a real boon for the Vietnamese. Percentage-wise, how many Vietnam veterans have suffered physical deterioration from that defoliant? Would their exposure ever have come to light if it hadn't been turned into such an advantage for the Vietnam government?

Notice how good I write? I've taken lots of writing courses over the years, I write much better than I talk. I can take a story and make Saving Private Ryan look like pulp fiction. Not talking like I was career-oriented, but I do remember ADM. I spin a mean tale now.

Chuck Saturday, December 12, 2015 09:03 AM
Often wondered about that very thing. Good luck getting the Gov't to admit anything!!
1497) Curt 
West Coast
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Tuesday, December 8, 2015 10:57 PM Write a comment

(1497) And here's what a February day looks like out here. Compare this with the Ft. Leonard Wood photos; I'm glad other people save these kinds of photos besides me.

I'm in there, I have red hair again. For some reason my hair shows as red in these Army photos. I guess the Army turned me into a red-headed step child for three years. Yes, that's me right there.

OK, here's a story I get to share: I drove a taxi for a time about 15 years ago and I was taking a fellow and his wife to the airport who'd been here for a convention. Turns out he'd been here for an Army combat engineer reunion or convention of some type, and he'd been a retired NCO of 30 years or so. So, naturally I started talking about 12 Bravo things and Germany, and of course that led to 12 Echo talk. And, incredibly, this ex-command sergeant major had never heard of 12 Echo or ADM at all! When I began mentioning 12E and Germany, I looked in my rear-view mirror and saw that he had a totally blank look on his face and was staring straight ahead out the windshield; his wife was staring intently at the back of my head. Then he said "Tell me of this ADM." I was honestly taken aback for moment for here was a career NCO in the combat engineer MOS specialty field (whatever the MOS designation is for upper-ranking NCOs) who had retired who knows how many years prior to our meeting in 2000 or 2001, whenever it was, who had never heard of 12E or what they did.

I gave him a vague description of what ADM stood for and then we were at the airport and that was the end of that. But I've been thinking about that ever since, how this person could have served for so many decades without ever even hearing about ADM is near impossible to imagine. Has 12E been gone for that long not only in reality, but in legacy also? No one talks about it any more? To be honest with you I never even told my parents about what I did in 12th Engineers' Headquarters Company (or the ADM part, anyway) but I did find out that the FBI had been to our neighbors when they were investigating me for my security clearance. I doubt that they ever told my parents anything as I suppose they lied to the FBI about the Kennedy years anyway (and that's a whole 'nother story), and the only reason I'm posting here is someone else brought it up first. I never would have posted any of this on my own, but I guess Glasnost has made us all free. Right?

But here we had an ex-command sergeant major who honestly drew a total blank on the subject. Are 12 Echoes really a forgotten breed? That is, in all honesty, truly tragic as now America is denied the truly inspirational legacy of a group of soldiers, an elite group of Americans that apparently the nation will never have again. Is that right?

Curt Wednesday, December 9, 2015 04:45 PM
Left a part out: That's Drill Sergeant Creekmore who was and still is the most terrifying person I've ever met. According to the computer his combat patch was Marine: a 2nd Bat, 1st Marine patch having a vertical numeral "1" with Guadalcanal written in it. I remember that as I've never seen it anywhere else and it stuck in my mind as he was literally terrifying his entire platoon. No joke; see his bull neck. It's wider than his head.
1496) Curt 
West Coast
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Tuesday, December 8, 2015 09:13 PM Write a comment

(1496) What a December sunset looks like where I live. At least off my porch, anyway. Not too bad, but it looks a lot better on the beach.
1495) Bob P 
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Thursday, December 3, 2015 02:29 PM Write a comment

Anyone remember the guys who transferred from the 509th in Eschborn to the 567th in Hanau. I seem to be unable to locate them.
1494) Larry Fukalek 
Clovis, Ca
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Wednesday, December 2, 2015 07:09 PM Write a comment

(1494) Basic Training, Ft. Knox, Kentucky ~ 24 Nov 1962 to 9 Feb 1963
1493) Curt 
West Coast
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Sunday, November 29, 2015 03:41 PM Write a comment

(1493) My Ft. Leonard Wood AIT photo. I'm in there.
1492) Curt 
West Coast
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Sunday, November 29, 2015 03:38 PM Write a comment

(1492) Civil service tests can be fun. Here's the old federal 300_C clerical test. Wasn't just for clerks, it covered a lot of gofer jobs. It's gone now, all the test results weren't deleted, they were actually shredded back in '99 when they changed the hiring practices at the OPMs.

Some of these tests can be really interesting if you like those kind of things. This one was entertaining.
1491) Curt 
West Coast
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Sunday, November 29, 2015 02:12 PM Write a comment

(1491) Non-ADM post: A trophy.
1490) Curt 
West Coast
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Sunday, November 29, 2015 02:00 PM Write a comment

(1490) Happy Thanksgiving for those who celebrate the holidays! A plaque with some sort of doggerel; it's on unstained wood with knots.

One thing I remember before everyone left for Hanau is ADM math: There was no jocularity when the math behind the science was being taught, the joking manner in which other Army courses usually included was supposed to be absent in ADM math. That's the way I remember hearing it, anyway, and it's probably good advice.

But learning through nature, they always say answers to many questions lie around you. Knots are good, I guess.

However history chronicles things, the Hanau move might be viewed differently through the generations, but it's certainly a done deal now. One knotty problem, alright.
1489) Don Reed 
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Thursday, November 26, 2015 03:28 PM Write a comment

Happy Thanksgiving.
From sunny 80 degree Florida

Rick Murray Saturday, February 13, 2016 10:38 AM
Hey Don! Will never forget the weekend trip we took to Minden and actually help serve drinks from behind the bar. I'm on Facebook too. Just type Rick Murray from Williamstown, KY in search bar and click on invite.
1488) Peter 
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Thursday, November 26, 2015 11:53 AM Write a comment

(1488) 40 years ago.
Which one is me?
1487) Charlie Bell, MSG, Ret 
Lancaster NH
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Thursday, November 26, 2015 11:26 AM Write a comment

Here's hoping everyone has a wonderful & blessed Thanksgiving with family & friends. Thank all of you for being a part of MY life.
1486) dw 
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Monday, November 23, 2015 11:28 AM Write a comment

happy dance
Spam tastes good;but Turkey is special for this week!
Hoping everyone has a bountiful Thanksgiving celebration with thier families and friends.

Thank you Peter for keeping site running.

Dave Wright
1485) Charlie Bell, MSG, Ret 
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Sunday, November 22, 2015 04:57 PM Write a comment

Thanks DW: This is the 2nd time that I know of. Good luck to Peter. Keep up the good work.
1484) Charlie Bell, MSG, Ret 
Lancaster NH
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Saturday, November 14, 2015 09:54 PM Write a comment

Damn Spammers.
Are you OK Peter????

dw Thursday, November 19, 2015 01:32 PM
razz (stick out tongue)
Peter told me he is well.He is having site set-up to elimiate Spammers,having a small program issue.He might have to close site and reopen again.He was hacked!
1483) Kevin McGinnis 
Sunbury, NC
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Wednesday, November 11, 2015 02:53 PM Write a comment

Hello everyone and I want to thank you all for your service to your country. It can't be said too much. A shout out to members of the 4th/6th plt that I recall: James Whalen, David Holt, Wendell Forsythe, Roger Rodriguez, Chris Collins, Warren Wheeler, Gary Barnett, and others I can't recall right now. Where are you guys now? I hope everyone is doing well. Have a great Thanksgiving and Christmas.
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